Recommended viscosity: SAE 0W-20 SAE 0W-20 is the best choice for good fuel economy and good starting in cold weather. Toyota's World Standard (WS) ATF is one of the newest generation of ATF on the market. The procedure has been demonstrated heaps on YouTube if you search transmission oil Toyota 6 speed. Once flushed out, transmission starts to slip. So most people just fall back to what the dealer tells them. Toyota says that their “{WS is lifetime fluid and never has to be changed” (making that statement saves Tranny banged and grumbled all the way from there to Brisbane. The funnel was hooked to engine hood gas struct. I will probably default to buying the dealers crap again. It's really a cookie cutter low-zinc, low viscosity ATF formulation. Thanks Kriger for the comments + Toyota link. Here are the specs: https://www.lubenz.co.nz/automatic-transmission-fluid/58-elfmatic-mv.html. P.S Info:Van has 48000 miles. Refer WEBER STATE UNIVERSITYATTC 4860 – National Institute for Standards and Technology (NIST) Standards and Transmission Fluids. ", So really without testing your fluid you'll be relying on the service tech to judge the colour of your trans fluid so in the absence of that and given you can't change all the fluid in these transmissions it's likely more about regular changes than it is about the absolute use of OEM trans fluid and certainly trans specialists like Rowell and Searle are happy to drop and fill. Mobil ATF D/M provides the excellent oxidation and friction stability, anti-wear properties, and low-temperature fluidity desired for most automatic transmissions. I'd be guessing it's never been changed – we bought the car at 140k and I doubt the previous owner did it before then. The issues of Toyota transmission flushing and Toyota ATF WS are long-running, here and on other sites around the world. https://www.autobarn.com.au/penrite-auto-transmission-fluid-oa03780, http://au.toyotaownersclub.com/forums/topic/54840-transmission-fluid-lv-4l-36/. They said it would not void the factory warranty. I am trying to find a better substitute for T-lV and WS. Takes around 10-12 seconds to take 1l out, then stopped the engine and put 1l of fresh fluid in through the refill hole. Sure, we could prove that aftermarket parts and fluids were used. They have pallets full of imported oil. Obviously Penrite don't show up on US forums. They seemed confident when i double checked they could do the job, as it's very difficult with Aurion (no dipstick and have to be very particular about measuring the level at certain temps, etc). My local Toyota dealers price their atf competitively, meaning it’s almost not worth it to buy aftermarket and wonder if you’ll be alright. I repeated the drain and fill 6 times. I am around the northern suburbs. or simply not service the transmission at all. Last time I bought type IV it was cheap, I cant see the WS being much more than whatever the aftermarket oil is. When I worked at the dealer, I discovered it was actually quite difficult to void a claim, due to use of aftermarket filters and fluids. If you've never serviced the transmission I suggest the complete service: fluid drain, pan drop and clean, replace the filter, refill, flush using the cooler return line and then fluid level check. Toyota Ws Transmission Fluid Compatibility Articles & Shopping. The only “they” that counts here is the dealer. You would think the German mob over the pond would make a better quality WS product equivalent . Do you mind sharing which shop/expert is this so I know which one to steer clear of as I am in Adelaide as well. PENRITE AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION FLUID LV will not make any problems to your Toyota vehicle, it is already been used by many people. The Toyota ATF is really good stuff, and if you go to any of the Toyota 4WD forums (Pradopoint, Lcool), there's a lot of discussion about the merits of the factory oil and the alternatives. Genuine Toyota ATF WS (World Standard) Specifically formulated by Toyota for Toyota vehicles Genuine Toyota Automatic Transmission Fluid is an advanced ATF designed by Toyota R&D specifically for Toyota automatic transmissions: Tested and approved by Toyota. Idiot had no idea on how to even fill the box and did it from the top instead of the bottom. $1,057.94. Anyone have the inside scoop on who is the OEM manufacturer of Toyota WS ATF? I've seen VOA's of ATF WS. My car is out of warranty. Specifically formulated for use in Toyota sealed automatic transmissions. Procedure is simple: drop and fill, and repeat til the colour looks good to you. While this law prevents voiding the overall warranty for a vehicle, a dealer can clearly deny a specific claim. making that statement saves What’s more, the dealership and/or manufacturer often just approved the warranty repairs, so as to not risk damaging the dealership and/or manufacturer’s reputation. The car has the similar 6 speed tranny. If they hand out bad advice willy-nilly to those that call, hungry lawyers will descend on them like buzzards on roadkill. Did that to my 2001 Camry with 4 speed auto transmission. I am due for a ATF fluid exchange and am considering using this as replacement and doing changes every 100k mi. Often flush cause sentiment to dislodge and cause problem. Almost all 2004 and above Toyota vehicles with automatic transmissions use the WS fluid specification. Share to: Can ATF 4 replace Atf 3? In the manual, there was only a two liner which states 2.5L for drain and fill. Was a place that only did Transmissions, nothing else. I helped him replace a drive axle. Hi just wanted to know if to upgrade my fluid from the Toyota WS as it is not synthetic, or is it best to use Toyota WS.I like Castrol synthetic fluid. T-IV initially replaced Dexron III as the transmission fluid of choice for Toyota and Lexus automatics starting in the early 90s. In 2004 - 2007 dip stick was removed from this transmission. Yes and no, Subaru's CVT is very similar to the Audi Multi-tronic... because it's designed by and use parts from the same engineering firm (Schaeffler), and most "chain driven" CVT's have similar fluids anyhow. WS (World Standard) ATF alternative (Toyota cars), I do not think much of Toyota any more with their marketing strategies even though they still make a. In Europe I think Mobil sells under the Esso brand name. ATF WS P/N: 08886-02305 (4L), 08886-00289 (1q USA), 08886-81210 (1L Euro) As transmissions are upgraded and improved, so must the automatic transmission fluid be upgraded. MAX LIFE fluid is synthetic and As expected, transmission fluid leaked out. If the mechanic is doing a full flush of the system, how many litres would be needed? Type WS when Type WS automatic transmission fluid is required for Lexus, Scion, Toyota and other make vehicles. Unfortunately, it took three orders to get a case of it that was not leaking or damaged. Is it worth the risk? KV100 (cST) is 5.91, which is in the range quoted by Sir Fredoops. Bear in mind that, when you drop the pan to replace the filter, you drain / fill around 2.8 litres. If you do not flush how you know if it is safe to mix OEM with aftermarket, remember that aftermarket fluid may not be licensed and you cannot compare the two specifications as the aftermarket only publish 6 or 8 out of a possible 24 to 36 specifications. Only 1 left! My vehicles are 10 years old and I am sure oil technology has improved. I wouldnt be paying much more than that from your local dealer, its not like oil's are an old stock like they need to get rid of. Does anyone have any comments / experience of Penrite ATF LV as a Toyota WS replacement? Meets or exceeds all Toyota … I drain and fill every 30K. The type of ATF used in Toyota automobiles is determined by the transmission in that particular car. Using Penrite ATF LV on both our Aurions with no issues at all. You either get excellent results and save money or lose quite a bit of money, but get a real education. Well note that PX Technician Series which includes Toyota WS also includes Mazda FZ specification-http://www.phoenixlubricants.com.au/13web/pdf/PX%20Technician%20Series%20Transmatic%20LV%20PDS.pdfand that goes in the 'sealed for life' Mazda Skyactiv 6 speed transmission assuming it needs any-https://mazda.oemdtc.com/725/atf-fz-required-for-skyactiv-drive-6-speed-automatic-transaxle-2012-2016-mazdawhich raises the question as to whether the trans fluid can be sucked out of there and renewed? You can still service sealed transmissions, its just more annoying filling up because you need a pump. No Toyota T-IV in 03, 04 was first for WS. AutohausAZ offers a large selection of Genuine parts online. Toyota ATF WS does not required drain/refill unless the vehicle is used to tow. Using Penrite ATF LV on both our Aurions with no issues at all. I’m not defending dealerships. Frankly, it seems that the purpose of this discussion was simply for you to vent off some steam . We were specifically told to not talk smack about customers, when they rolled in with aftermarket brake pads, filters, and Big O tires. I did check Valvoline Maxlife ATF but the specs indicate viscosity is outside the specs of the Toyota WS. The car manufacturers do not make their own fluids but there is not much information on alternatives. Considering you used 3 bottles for your Lexus, any idea how many bottles I would need for a full flush for my Corolla 2007? An additional update. Genuine Toyota ATF – WS is Toyota’s “World Standard” automatic transmission fluid. A counterpoint question - How much are you saving by not using Toyota fluids vs the cost of a rebuilt transmission? Because torque converter will always keep some fluid from draining out. Amsoil Signature Series Fuel-Efficient Synthetic Automatic Transmission Fluid. Mech checking it likely found it discoloured and recommended 2 quick drop and fills. Aim at 70-80% new fluid in system eventually. It must be pointed out that some manufactures do not recommend a flush. 5/30…10/30…etc is not a specification. If the difference is less than $20, or round about, is it worth the peace of mind to you? If the vehicle is under warranty then it would be advisable to use OEM as no one really wants to fight with the dealer in the event of a transmission issue. I had to take it to Toyota who saidA NEVER use anything but WS in these boxesB fill it correctly through the bottom and not the top holeC Turn it on and get it to the right temperature and recheck levels.Expert did none of this and it ended up costing me over $500 to have oil flushed completely and correct oil in it.He refunded me his cost after a big blowup Only funny thing was I sold it not long after and the buyer came to see me and told me he did the tranny oil. From my understanding, it will be more if we do a pan down and transmission filter replacement as well. Scion: Toyota Genuine ATF WS (JWS3324 or NWS9638) Volvo: 31256774, 31256775; This fluid is specified for many car models, some of which we may not have listed. Oil grade: ILSAC GF-5 multigrade engine oil. I get mine from this warehouse in Sydney. What could be better than the exact fluid specified in the owner’s manual? Use Toyota approved “Toyota Genuine Motor Oil” or equivalent to satisfy the following grade and viscosity. Cant remember and dont have any paperwork as was 10 years ago but was on the Southside as we were at Mt Compass and mechanic there recommended them. I do not think much of Toyota any more with their marketing strategies even though they still make a reliable automotive product any company removing dipsticks from their cars forcing customers to take their cars for dealer servicing and then go on to charge astronomical prices for an oil change should be treated with caution . ATF flush such as via its cooling lines, is risky to your transmission. You ALWAYS have a choice. 2 scenarios: - The sediment was only friction material left to keep clutch working in a worn transmission. The ironic thing about Toyota insisting the transmission oil are for 'lifetime' was they did not even bother to include any service interval for transmission oil change in the maintenance schedule. Remember if your engine or trans fails it's usually at a stage where the cost of replacement junks the car. I was hopping someone who may work in a transmission shop might have some experience with different transmission fluids for Toyotas, By law car manufactures can not void your wananty if you use non Toyota fluids as long as the fluids meet their specs, I don’t know if this is technically a law, but have you ever heard of Moss-Magnusson /, Yes it is a law and I am familiar with it. I did check Valvoline Maxlife ATF but the specs indicate viscosity is outside the specs of the Toyota WS. But proving that those aftermarket parts and fluids CAUSED engine and/or transmission problems was no piece of cake. It is that simple. It's basically a - thin base oil (5.5 to 6.5 ish cST @100 degrees C) + calcium + phosphorous + boron.It can't be that hard to meet that standard given most ATF's have the exact same content inside. It seems to me that the difference in price between proper Toyota spec fluid (sourced properly) and MaxLife isn’t more than a couple of bucks per quart. APPLICATIONS W0133-1930425 Hyundai: WS transmission fluid, spec NWS-9638; Lexus, Toyota. : - https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads/verified-alternatives-to-toyota-ws-atf-automaitc-transmission-fluid.373083/, - http://advrider.com/index.php?threads/alternative-to-toyota-ws-atf.1167730/. ATF WS = Aisin AW1 by the way, kinda obvious cause Aisin made the transmission. But if transmission is Toyota/Aisin 6 speed, I’d be careful and follow proven method which is drain and fill. The first order from 'Toyota of North Miami Parts' was completely beat to hell, the Toyota box was wrapped in plastic to keep it together and the spouts were folded into the containers and many of them were leaking. If you're in Adelaide I'd recommend The Unclutchables for the good oil on transmissions as they've been around a long time and know their stuff although there will be others- https://www.unclutchables.com.au/. Vaoline MAX LIFE meets Toyota spec. What specification is out? Buy genuine, I run their filters and transmission oils these days as they are nearly the same price as stuff from Supercheap and you can just screw them on and tip it in without a second thought. . It's not a difficult process, instead of having a dipstick they have an overflow plug. Learn about ATF from the first 2-Speed Toyoglide in 1959 to the latest AGA0E 10-Speed transmission in 2017. That is NOT a warrantee. My local transmission workshop insists Max Life is the go. CSA_. One topic on TOCAU discussing Penrite and the service:https://au.toyotaownersclub.com/forums/topic/54840-transmission-fluid-lv-4l-36/When dropping the pan I would strongly recommend replacing the gasket with an OEM part, costs about $30 at your local Toyota service centre. I've seen VOA's of ATF WS. in some cases even more expensive . I was also wondering during my next transmission service, if I am not using the same Elfmatic MV synthetic oil, do I need to do a full flush or just a drain and refill? Toyota Type IV, which was essentially Dexron III; Toyota went from recommending Dexron III to type T-IV with no fundamental changes transmission wise and say the oil is backwards compatible. Do you have in writing from Valvoline that they will cover damage? Edit: Penrite LV ATF is 5.7 cST @100, so it's bang on within range for the Toyota WS. I did tranny oil replace on my 2013 Lexus rx350 myself 2 month ago. Seems like the Penrite ATF LV is a good choice. Supplied 12L of the stuff to the mechanic to do the flush. http://www.supercheapauto.com.au/Product/Penrite-LV-Automatic-Transmission-Fluid-LV-4-Litre/396357, The out sourced transmission warranty repair specialists recommended "Phoenix PX Transmatic LV" which is a local Australian company located here in Victoria , Dandenong though it does seem as much as Toyota want to not admit it seems you can use any specified fully synthetic WS (World Standard) oil. That said there was always the notion that in some of the more powerful applications of the A340E (1jz/2jz boxes) the genuine fluid seemed to shift a tad better, it wasnt expensive genuine either, $30/4L was the going rate (kinda what you would pay for DexIII from Supercheap anyway), The later boxes that run the WS are vastly different; You cant just throw DexIII in and motor on like you used to be able to.Could be worse, could be a ZF box lol. Old fluid, how many litres would be needed quick drop and fill quotes $ 330 every. 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